Oops, here's the third rose. I don't know why I forgot to post it. It's Kim's Forever Roses, but just the first group making a rose bud not the full flower. And I also need to make the calyax for it. I think I should invest in a styrofoam cone to start placing these as they are made before they get lost or given away. I used size 20 Lizabeth Dark Plum thread and a hat pin rather than floral wire. It was eadier to use the curved tip to gather and hold the petals by the bottom picots this way.